Those of you hoping to find pictures of Faith in the shower, well, you’ll just have to wander over to my LJ (yes I succumbed).
Those of you hoping I’ve stopped talking about Destiny, well, maybe soon. Meantime, here’s some real life quotes.
Brian says:
God calls [homosexality] a perversion, and it’s a very severe one.
People are beginning to get sick and tired of the permissive and hyper-tolerant attitude that’s permeated this nation.
You can’t socially and legally recognise something that God says is a sin. It’s wrong.
Human rights become human wrongs when they violate the laws of God.
The message I would have for [the kids from Wellington high] is that they can certainly be transformed out of that lifestyle.
Reporter: There are gay churches, and there are churches who don’t condemn homosexuality. How do you deal with that?
Brian: They’re not legitimate. There’s no such thing as a gay church. Not in God’s eyes. That’s something that’s been created by that particular spirit.
Reporter: Is it fair to say that Destiny represents a Christian view point, but it’s not the only Christian view point? There are others.
Brian: Well this is the viewpoint of the bible. So those people have to argue with that, and anybody else that takes contention with me about this, because we shouldn’t even be ordaining gay priests, or homosexual ministers. What Jesus was once condemning, as a perversion, today, some of the, um, some parts of the church are ordaining it, is evil.
Brian: It is a crime. It’s a crime that we allow that to be accepted, and then that we should allow our children, our grandchildren to having to contend with that abnormality.
Random Destiny guy on Holmes: We’re not against people. It’s a spiritual thing.
Reporter: What are you against?
Destiny Guy: Wickedness. In heavenly places.
Reporter: And that is what?
Destiny Guy: Ah… the devil.
Reporter: And does that equate with gay… homosexuality and lesbianism?
Destiny Guy: Yeah. Well it’s the spirit that is behind them, it’s not the actual people themselves.
Destiny Woman: We love the gay people. Just not what they do.
Reporter: Families come in all shapes and forms now days.
Brian: No they don’t. No they don’t. There’s only one stable unit that’s called the family, that’s one man, a male, and one woman, a female, coming together in the covenant of marriage, when they legitimise that, in that covenant, then they have the legal right, as far as god is concerned, to be able to not only be together in a relationship, but it’s the only relationship that can procreate. That can produce children. Two men can’t produce children. Two women can’t produce children. The day that they can naturally produce children, then I’ll change.
Brian needs to check his Bible - Jesus NEVER condemned homosexuality - he never addressed it - he DID however react strongly to church leaders abusing their positions!!!
Also - last comment - Brian obviously doesn't have any single parent families in his church (or maybe he has a line up of single men and women to instantly change the single parent families into "real families"!!!! However i dare him to come and tell me that my family isn't a real family - one parent, two kids!!!
Posted by: Jo Dunning at September 3, 2004 06:59 AMMy family wasn't real either apparently. Lots of mothers, a father who didn't live in my house, aunties, unlces, friends, cousins. More people to love and support me than a kid could ever dream of. Not a real family.
Posted by: Eleanor at September 3, 2004 09:17 AMPerhaps it would have been more accurate to say one biological mother, and lots of stepmothers - mum's partner and many of her flatmates and friends.
Posted by: Eleanor at September 3, 2004 09:33 AMI wonder how Brian's going to deal with ectopic pregnancy now that it seems to be approaching? Fertilise egg, implant in a man's stomach lining, give a course of drugs mimicing the hormonal sequence of a pregnancy, deliver by caesarian. There have been theories that this is possible for a while now, and the hormonal treatment side of it is getting very possible.
Zane
Yes homosexuality has been around since sodom and gamorah but there is no need for history to repeat itself. Would you want your children to suffer the same consequences that sodom and gamorah went through.....Trust me, its better that you learn of why we are against the spirit and not the people. I love fags, gays and homo's yes I do. They are good people like ourselves. Its the fact that marriage is for man and women....Satan has done a good job of confusing, twisting and manipulating the whole society that Christianity guidelines (based on the holy bible) is wrong...Well I have to say......God (Jesus Christ) wins in the end...he he he and its never to late for you to choose who you will serve...the god of this world...satan or serve Jesus Christ....God, creator of the heavens before the earth was!
you can e-mail me back bjvh1@hotmail.com
Would be good to make some new friends that wont take offence to my comments, and no matter what is said...All is good.
kingite1 needs to get a life - the same comment posted twice on my LJ and on this one!!!!
probably has no social life!!!
Posted by: Jo Dunning at September 3, 2004 09:31 PMYeah - I agree! kingite1 (and Brian Tamaki too, for that matter) do need to get a life, yeah!
Posted by: Jeremy Naylor at September 5, 2004 01:24 AMGo kingite1. Good for you standing up in what you believe in!!
Are you a member of destiny? well who ever you are I support you. Just ignore what these loosers are saying. I beleive in God, its a shame that the rest of NZ dont see it the same way. really sux.
keep going king, you have our support.
Posted by: Imagine at September 7, 2004 11:05 AMHey thanks..Nice to here from you...Please read this comment. I recieved it from a friend last week..You will find it interesting.
The Editor
The Daily Post
Hinemoa St
Rotorua
Wednesday 1st September, 2004
Who is really hateful?
Kia ora Karyn,
After reading a number of letters such as that of Rod Petterson, accusing Destiny Church of being hateful and Nazi like I feel compelled to tell my story. Unlike Mr Peterson, I was there with my wife and family. I was wearing a black t-shirt and chanting “Enough is Enough” while punching the air, and that is all we ever said.
However what the media has chosen not to report was some of the disgusting and hateful things yelled and screamed by gays and lesbians, teenagers and adults alike. Chants such as “God is gay”, “Mary was a lesbian”, and “f**k Jesus” rang out from what was a fairly motley crew of mainly teenagers taking the afternoon off school.
My tolerance ran out as we were walking along Lambton Quay after the march. We were walking as a family (my wife 3 daughters and 2 sons), me still with my black t-shirt on, when two middle aged women, a lesbian couple, walked up behind us and said, “One day we are going to f**k your daughters”. Anger rushed into me, but rather than lowering myself to her level, mainly due to the calming hand of my wife, I turned and yelled “the day will come when you will regret saying that”. Such is the immoral state of our society, that people think it is OK to say things like that in the hearing of children – surely Mr Peterson you’d agree “ENOUGH is ENOUGH”!
Father for the Future!
Rotorua
(I would like to use this non-de-plume, so that my wife and children are not identified. I was saddened that they had to hear what that woman said – we just explained to the children that those ladies didn’t have a family, and that were just jealous that they didn’t have such beautiful children of their own. Moerangi (7 years) said if they didn’t talk nicely they won’t get any kids
"Jesus NEVER condemned homosexuality - he never addressed it"
In Mark 7:20-23, Jesus condemned "porneia," which includes all forms of illicit sexual intercourse.
Jesus certainly loves people who are struggling with same sex attractions, but anyone who thinks he loves with an insecure kind of love that is afraid to offend is mistaken. He forgave and did not condemn the repentant woman who committed adultery -- but then he said, "Go and sin no more" (John 8:11).
We would do better not to look for legal loopholes to escape through, but instead throw ourselves on the mercy of the court.
Posted by: E.L. at September 8, 2004 03:08 PMGod made the world. The world did not 'just happen'. God is the most powerful thing that exists. He loves us all. It's up to us weather we choose to love him or not, but there are consequences to what we choose.
There is good and evil, God and the devil, and there is heaven and hell. It's real! The devil HATES you - he wants to kill you, to kill your joy and ruin your future. God loves you, but if you don't give your heart to Jesus, then the deal is that you go to hell. Hell is a horrifying place, where there is the worse torment and agony - and it ever ends. If you go there you will stay there for eternity.
God loved us so much that he gave his son to die in our place to pay the price for our sins. God also gave us the word of God - the Bible. It's all written in there - so there are no excuses. Everything we need to know to live a good and fulfilling life is written down! God knows what is best for us because he designed and made us. What he has laid out for us is so much better that what we can get when we try and do things our own way. Once you have really and truly tried God's way, then you will not even dream of going back to your old ways. God's way is soooo GOOD!
Any way, here are a few things that Jesus said about homosexuality. There are many more, but this will do for now.
In Matthew 5:17-18 Jesus upheld the commandments in the Old Testament saying he had come to fulfil, and not abolish those laws. One law is Leviticus 18:22 where God commands “do not have sex with a man as with a woman, that is detestable”. So the Jews needed little convincing.
However non-Jews needed to be taught on this subject. Jesus appointed the Apostle Paul (see Acts 9) and used him for the writing of Romans 1 to non-Jews (many of whom would not have read the book of Leviticus). Romans 1: 26-27 reads: “Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.”
Jesus through Paul therefore calls homosexuality a perversion. Reference to men receiving within themselves the due penalty for homosexual sex probably refers to sexual diseases.
The message of Jesus is one of love and forgiveness by His payment for our wrongdoings on the cross and our need to accept that gift (Romans 6:23).
The challenge for us is to not dilute God’s commands by reference only to His love. Jesus’ death for us on the cross was necessary because of our sin. It should motivate us to live for Him and it is not a license for us to live however we please. Only when we live in a loving relationship with our creator do we realise our purpose and reach our fill potential.
I have one thing to say to all the "God loves them BUT..." people.
I was born biologically female. I am, however, a nadeelhi. In all your studies I doubt you've heard of the word. It means two spirit. One male, one female. I have borne a son, who is now nine, to a man that I was *married* to. This all knowing, all wonderful, only for one man and one woman and only for procreation institute lasted six months. I played the dutiful wife and struggled to keep a marriage going (including separating from every friend I had to "cleave to" my husband) whilst he ran around with his friends, doing drugs and writing love letters to girlfriends. In the end, he ran out of state to avoid procecution for various warrants.
I am now in a loving, committed relationship with a man and a woman. The three of us are bound, hand and heart, through a privately done handfasting ceremony. None of us has cheated, none of us has so much as smoked pot since getting together, over two years ago. They are lovingly involved in raising my son to become a well rounded gentleman. I, in turn, am helping to do the same for the man's little brother, who is ten.
As for marriage being ONLY fit for procreation... what do you have to tell those who are sterile? What about those who, through various birth defects, cannot conceive? And those who are born with "ambiguous genitalia"? Are they instantly destined for hell if they marry?
One last question.. if god doesn't make mistakes.... why did he make me what I am? Why did he make others the way they are? Mmmmm?
Posted by: Strange Angel at October 5, 2004 08:09 AMOh, one other thing...
Do you wear a beard? Cut your hair? Check your bible again. You might just be condemned yourself.
Posted by: Strange Angel at October 5, 2004 08:11 AM