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That lady is perverse and so is her perception of God.....

You seriously need to rethink what exactly God says about sexuality and sex and what that lady is talking about – where is God in all of this……..

Peace

Peverse?
Love, as the greatest of the gospels overshadows morality and judgement and redeems every act which is made with love as its core. Just as in christian theology, the New Testament superceeds and makes manifest the promise of The Old Testament, surely my friend, sex as an peaceful expression of love is made by that instinct of love, superlative as an act.
The doctrine of Grace.

Have a quote:
" People who talk about revolution and class struggle without referring explicitly to everydaylife, without understanding what is subversive about love and what is positive is teh refusal of constraints, such people have a corpse in their mouth."
-Roul Vaneigm
The Revolution of Everyday Life

Shalom

Sex+marriage = moral, love

And instead of quoting some guy who obviously has no connection to Jesus Christ our lord and saviour you quote – Jesus? – Here I will share some with you.

Matthew chapter 5: 27 "You have heard that the Law of Moses says, 'Do not commit adultery.' 28 But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust in his eye has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 So if your eye - even if it is your good eye - causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your hand - even if it is your stronger hand - causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

Here are some from Paul also:
Acts 15:20; Romans 1:29; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13,18; 7:2; 10:8; 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5;

2 Timothy chapter 2 22 Run from anything that stimulates youthful lust. Follow anything that makes you want to do right. Pursue faith and love and peace, and enjoy the companionship of those who call on the Lord with pure hearts.

Hebrews 13:4 Give honour to marriage, and remain faithful to one another in marriage. God will surely judge people who are immoral and those who commit adultery.

If you would like to share scripture that justify’s sex before marriage or homosexual sex – and also where in the gospel love is defined as sex? I would appreciate this . And if you did a word study on Love you would find that there are three different types - Greek words - I cant remember there specific names – but there is brotherly love (towards your brothers/sisters in Christ) Marital love (in which sex is a part of this – anything else out of marriage is know as lust) and Agape love – which the unconditional love of God. And just because God loves us unconditionally does not mean that he will not cast judgment on people who disobey his will?? I know that description is quite brief but I can dig up the material and explain it more deeply another time

Ciao,

Yes I'm quite aware of the arguments. I'm also quite aware of the translational errors and inconsiteancies in Paul in particular, with reference to love. In Greek text alone there is Eros, Agape, Philia, Storge, Xenia. Lots of different types of love. Lots of shades of grey huh?

I also don't want to take up all of the space on this blog with this discussion. Not the best of manners I feel.
Enjoy your Bible -mines the NSRV (AKA the Purple Floppy)

Shalom.

Sorry about the spelling!

Where is God in all this? Everywhere. God is in hookers and queers and perverts, permeating every cell of our bodies. God is in our bedrooms, in between the sheets, in our hearts, in our sweat, in our moans. God is in every gesture of love, and every cry of the oppressed.

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I wasn't quoting a guy, I was quoting a woman, and I'm mystified that you can somehow judge whether she has any connection to Christ?

Jesus is awesome. Here’s a great quote: Matthew 7:1-6: ‘Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For with the judgement you make you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck in your neighbour’s eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye? Or how can you say to your neighbour, “Let me take the speck out of your eye”, while the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbour’s eye.

Here’s an idea… I’ve already read the bible, but I bet you haven’t read anything by Marcella Althaus-Reid. Why don’t you read one of her books, and then we can have a more in-depth discussion.

Hellew,

So are you going to answer my question?

If you would like to share scripture that justify’s sex before marriage or homosexual sex or prostitution – and also where in the gospel love is defined as sex? I would appreciate this...

Also what I have presented to you is far more plausible than anything by Marcella Althaus-Reid. Its from Jesus and Paul (who Jesus spoke to, an apostle).

And I dont know you personally and I am not casting judgement on you (If you have felt that I have been judgemental I would appreciate if you pointed out the comment - Im sorry in advance - And although I do appreciate the scripture reference from Matthew I do refute it - due to the fact that the majority of my post was scripture and not my personal opinion )

I do however know that the topic of your initial post is against Gods word - do not mistake me being judgemental with Gods truth being presented to you and you not liking it....

Have a great day Siobhann and Fi :)

God, I love this blog. I enjoy your theology. What counts as Christian and who says? Whose tradition is it anyway? I'm born English so I guess it must be my own 'tradition' as far it goes. But I don't follow any church or guru. I'm just wandering along. But thanks for pushing the envelope.

By way of answering your questions... I don’t think we’re going to get very far by debating this. You are unlikely to change your view that the bible is the only example of “God’s Word”. And I am not likely to change my view that God’s Word is communicated in a myriad of ways.

Maybe we’ll just have to agree to differ?

Wow - really easy to get bogged down in the Bible, isn't it? Sooo easy. Though I've never been much for jumping on the bandwagon of the most popular whatever, it does please me that Christianity is not and never has been the most common religion. Yay. Thank the world for diversity. Long live mind-opening concepts.

Hi again…..
Okay so I kind of get what you’re saying
You believe the bible, BUT! - Only when it is not condemning say something like homosexuality (i.e. your lifestyle?) (So your probably one of those Christians who like to hear about how God loves you so much? And that’s great because it’s true! But when it comes to the parts that talk about Judgement, and sin and hell – what then?)

And if it disagrees with your lifestyle then its fallible, the translation is wrong, and you ut it down to the fact that Paul is an ordinary fallible man (even though he was approached by Jesus himself - or do you refute that as well?) and people like Te Whiti who was my tipuna – obeyed the bible……

I’m not saying that God isn’t omnipresent – our God is amazing, creative and expressive – I would never box him in? And I am not refuting that God communicates to us all, I’m saying that I believe that God has given us his word – Jesus is the living word and believed in the scripture – so that is reason enough for my mind to believe that Gods word is the bible – my spirit confirms this. I neve once said that the bible is the only example of Gods word – its simply the standard.

There is right and their is wrong – and just because God is present in things – doesn’t make certain things right?

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